Group created at Telegram: https://t.me/debian_nordics

[Helio Loureiro]

Hi,

For the ones already using telegram, we created a debian nordics group over
there.

Feel free to join us.

Best Regards,
Helio Loureiro
http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
http://twitter.com/helioloureiro

[Luna Jernberg]

Joined :)

Post by Helio Loureiro
Hi,
For the ones already using telegram, we created a debian nordics group
over there.
Feel free to join us.
Best Regards,
Helio Loureiro
http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
http://twitter.com/helioloureiro

[Andreas Gnau]

Hi Helio,

Post by Helio Loureiro
For the ones already using telegram, we created a debian nordics group
over there.

I might join, but I am not sure whether it is a really good idea to
promote a non-free-service like Telegram from within Debian.

In terms of chat, we already have #debian-nordic, which is admittedly
pretty dead. For this reason, I am a bit skeptical whether adding a
fourth venue of communication besides the two mailinglists and
#debian-nordic on IRC will improve matters.

Note, that I don't mean to be discouraging and I do appreciate any
effort to put more life into the Nordic and Swedish Debian communities!

Regards, Andreas

[Mattias Axell]

I agree with Andreas, would like a try to reboot chat based on a free
system (as well). However also agree on any initiative where Debian can
be present is good. I say "yes and" to Telegram (directed toward
newcomers) and hope to see you all at IRC!

Best,
Mattias

Post by Andreas Gnau
Hi Helio,

Post by Helio Loureiro
For the ones already using telegram, we created a debian nordics group
over there.

I might join, but I am not sure whether it is a really good idea to
promote a non-free-service like Telegram from within Debian.
In terms of chat, we already have #debian-nordic, which is admittedly
pretty dead. For this reason, I am a bit skeptical whether adding a
fourth venue of communication besides the two mailinglists and
#debian-nordic on IRC will improve matters.
Note, that I don't mean to be discouraging and I do appreciate any
effort to put more life into the Nordic and Swedish Debian communities!
Regards, Andreas

[Otto Kekäläinen]

I agree that we should encourage a true open source alternative like
Mattermost or Matrix.org or Zulip instead.

[Helio Loureiro]

Hi,

As much as I love free software, I also need to consider how to make things
more active.

We can have IRC, Matrix, Mastodon, Diaspora, etc. But the last two Debian
meetups I hosted nobody from this mailing list showed up. So we are
talking about an empty audience. And worse: during the events, nobody was
using Debian in their laptops (me included).

And everything is definitely mobile nowadays. Telegram isn't an attempt to
hijack this mailing list or any other communication media, but to increase
the possibilities. Even for newcomers.

BTW I use the free software client named "plus" to access Telegram.

Best Regards,
Helio Loureiro
http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
http://twitter.com/helioloureiro

Post by Otto Kekäläinen
I agree that we should encourage a true open source alternative like
Mattermost or Matrix.org or Zulip instead.

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Reply only to lists: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

Quoting Helio Loureiro (2019-06-27 10:50:54)

Post by Helio Loureiro
As much as I love free software, I also need to consider how to make
things more active.
We can have IRC, Matrix, Mastodon, Diaspora, etc. But the last two
Debian meetups I hosted nobody from this mailing list showed up. So
we are talking about an empty audience. And worse: during the events,
nobody was using Debian in their laptops (me included).

If the kind of meetings you host are ones where non-Debian-users attend,
then perhaps it makes better sense to call them something else than
"Debian meetups".

Post by Helio Loureiro
And everything is definitely mobile nowadays. Telegram isn't an
attempt to hijack this mailing list or any other communication media,
but to increase the possibilities. Even for newcomers.

Mobile is definitely a thing nowadays, but certainly not the only one.

Nice that you mention here that other user channels exist.

Post by Helio Loureiro
BTW I use the free software client named "plus" to access Telegram.

Nice. Even nicer if free software with a homepage and usable on
mainline linux - and if not already packaged in Debian then had an RFP
or ITP bureport filed - see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#l1


Good luck with that Telegram channel,

- Jonas

[Mattias Axell]

Hi,

Post by Jonas Smedegaard
Reply only to lists: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
Quoting Helio Loureiro (2019-06-27 10:50:54)

Post by Helio Loureiro
As much as I love free software, I also need to consider how to make
things more active.
We can have IRC, Matrix, Mastodon, Diaspora, etc. But the last two
Debian meetups I hosted nobody from this mailing list showed up. So
we are talking about an empty audience. And worse: during the events,
nobody was using Debian in their laptops (me included).

If the kind of meetings you host are ones where non-Debian-users attend,
then perhaps it makes better sense to call them something else than
"Debian meetups".

Most effective way I learnt is to test out different descriptions and
approaches. One could call them Debian Meetups, or something else
(Debian-related of your choice) and announce them on all channels,
including mailing list, bring a Debian laptop and make the different
conversation topics Debian-related. If I could I would have attended,
and probably wanted to switch to Debian in time for those meetups. Maybe
starting a Debian association in Sweden would gauge and grow interest?

Post by Jonas Smedegaard

Post by Helio Loureiro
And everything is definitely mobile nowadays. Telegram isn't an
attempt to hijack this mailing list or any other communication media,
but to increase the possibilities. Even for newcomers.

Mobile is definitely a thing nowadays, but certainly not the only one.
Nice that you mention here that other user channels exist.

I say "yes and", and I'm for announcing on non-free channels and guide
people to free channels. Please continue to use all channels, and great
if more people find the mailing list.

Post by Jonas Smedegaard

Post by Helio Loureiro
BTW I use the free software client named "plus" to access Telegram.

Nice. Even nicer if free software with a homepage and usable on
mainline linux - and if not already packaged in Debian then had an RFP
or ITP bureport filed - see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#l1
Good luck with that Telegram channel,
- Jonas

Good luck with all channels! ;)

/Mattias